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Shadowmoon · Nov 07, 2008, 10:34 PM // 22:34

This makes no sence to me, ecto prices are actually up, there are hovering between 5.5 and 4.8k, these were prices pre shadowform buff, why do they feel the need to nerf a buff after it been around for nearly a year.
BTW the idiot who said people couldn't clear the first room in UW in 2006 in the same time as people are finishing uw now. Invisimonk was around then, you could solo the whole UW back then. And back then it was before aoe scatter, and other anti-farming measures. Do you honestly think a invisimonk couldn't clear chamber in 15 minutes....

kostolomac · Nov 07, 2008, 10:34 PM // 22:34

One word on this : AWESOME!

t3dw4rd0 · Nov 07, 2008, 10:46 PM // 22:46

Why not just change the AI on the terrorwebs to make them use inferno when only one person is standing by them. I think sliver range is probably larger than inferno's, but it would make it a decent amount more difficult. Get too close to a mob and you insta-death.

Or would this screw it up for regular groups as well?

oracle.delphi · Nov 07, 2008, 10:58 PM // 22:58

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Originally Posted by Jake_Steel

I think I only visit these forums for the people who hate the game and the overly dramatic whining that happens EVERY time a skill gets changed.

/signed

12chars

MStarfire · Nov 07, 2008, 11:12 PM // 23:12

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joshuarodger · Nov 07, 2008, 11:17 PM // 23:17

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Originally Posted by Chushingura

Both FoW and UW are joke areas. A pug with the tiniest of brain cells could finish it. I know UW FOW DoA Deep Urgoz etc etc etc are all labeled Elite areas, but for UW FOW, it's a joke to me. Perhaps it's because I spend every day in those areas since I got my first Obsidian Shard and Glob of Ectoplasm (Thank you XELR).

If some didn't get it, I was being sarcastic with my original post.

don't be dumb. you absolutely cannot join a pug and hope to complete UW or FoW in a balanced team of any sort. all you need is for one or two people to not know their way around and you're all dead. if you want, i'll come with you sometime and we'll pick up 6 other random people and we'll see how far we get. i know my way around and apparently you do too. let's see if 6 other randoms can get it done. i'll even use the scroll and we'll go in NM to make it even easier. we won't win. i can almost guarantee it.

The Meth · Nov 07, 2008, 11:31 PM // 23:31

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Originally Posted by joshuarodger

don't be dumb. you absolutely cannot join a pug and hope to complete UW or FoW in a balanced team of any sort. all you need is for one or two people to not know their way around and you're all dead. if you want, i'll come with you sometime and we'll pick up 6 other random people and we'll see how far we get. i know my way around and apparently you do too. let's see if 6 other randoms can get it done. i'll even use the scroll and we'll go in NM to make it even easier. we won't win. i can almost guarantee it.

Assuming you don't take the mending wammo and the healing breeze/firestorm monk who joins yeah you can, assuming the team is mildly competent and listens to directions. If you use PvE skills it becomes rediculously easy like the rest of the game. Now if you are talking about getting the first 6 random nubs who ask to join without any kind of quality control you might have a point, but UW and FoW are really well designed to support nearly any well rounded build, unlike the rest of the so-called elite areas.

WrathAttack · Nov 08, 2008, 12:13 AM // 00:13

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Originally Posted by IlikeGW

That is pretty funny. I finally started playing again this week. You know what I do? I want to play some UW clears because it's the only fun PUG thing I know, but ursan's dead, no way I can join a team. So I spent the week rolling an ele for this new crap (let me check how many hours I wasted, ah 24 hours on the char), getting him set up. Just today I'm all set up, and I figure I'll study the video's awhile before tenatively trying not to screw up somebody's group... and now you're telling the run is dead? ... Well I was stupid to start playing again right? I mean when isn't this game anti-everything the players are doing.

I feel your pain that very same day i decided to set up my elementalist for the terra build and even bought my char a blindfold just because i was "going" to be earning my new fortune. Anet, leave Pve Alone what did it ever do to you? :P

Red Sonya · Nov 08, 2008, 12:22 AM // 00:22

A nerf to ShadowForm would be the ultimate nail in the coffin. Boy oh boy oh boy I am sooooo hoping SF gets hit hard so there will never be a permanent SF sin or anyone else any longer.

therangereminem · Nov 08, 2008, 12:27 AM // 00:27

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Originally Posted by Chushingura

Um, what's the big deal? Wouldn't the team setup change to this now:

A/N (Vale)
A/Me (Chamber)
A/E (Plains)
A/E (Pools)
A/E (Mountains)
A/E (Wastes)
A/D/E (Pits)
N/Rt (Vale)

but me team dont do it this way anyways its the fioollow easier and faster

e/monk solo wrathfull
a/mesmer clear vale for e/mo
a/mesmer chamber
a/e pools
a/d pits
a/e or a/rit plains
a/e moutain
a/e wastes

and both a/mesmer do escort while e/monk does wrathful
at 8 min from start so gg all other areas can be done in less then 10 min onc you get good at it with max levels

the only reason we have not do a 0 min and under time si getting all the best of the best together and be perfect no deaths no delays and a good spawn in every area

ohh dont worry the con change is not done yet +1 grial yeah lets say +1 to main att only not all lol so ele say good bye have you last week

use all your candy corns you can

The Silenced Spets · Nov 08, 2008, 12:34 AM // 00:34

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

A nerf to ShadowForm would be the ultimate nail in the coffin. Boy oh boy oh boy I am sooooo hoping SF gets hit hard so there will never be a permanent SF sin or anyone else any longer.

No that is when ultra fun messed up un-balanced UW groups come into play.

BadgerznPie · Nov 08, 2008, 12:54 AM // 00:54

Good, but I don't want feather prices to drop.

Acehigh · Nov 08, 2008, 01:22 AM // 01:22

It is still an awesome consumable even with its nerf. No need to whine about it.

But who am I kidding....

MisterT69 · Nov 08, 2008, 04:47 AM // 04:47

Just wondering...in theory, and this is just a thought, if A-net said they were trying to "balance" the essence by making it close to the other cons in terms of power, couldn't, and this is just theory, couldn't it be possible they buff armor and grail? You know, like an extra pip of health regen, or +2 attribute instead of +1 on the armor, pretty much making UW viable again. Again idk either way, I'll prolly just get back to using assassin in UW XD. Although I would assume if you're trying to balance the cons, A-net would try to bring armor and grail to essence's level.

Faer · Nov 08, 2008, 05:14 AM // 05:14

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Originally Posted by MisterT69

Although I would assume if you're trying to balance the cons, A-net would try to bring armor and grail to essence's level.

I would hope that additional power creep is not the goal here.

Arkantos · Nov 08, 2008, 05:20 AM // 05:20

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Originally Posted by Faer

I would hope that additional power creep is not the goal here.

That's something ANet's never done before...haha.

I don't think they will, but I wouldn't be surprised. :\

Taurucis · Nov 08, 2008, 05:28 AM // 05:28

Apparently, GW dies more than Kenny from South Park and Starscream from Transformers Animated combined.

Come on, fellow GW players... We've gotten over the past nerf... and the nerf before that... and the nerf before that... and the nerf before that... and the nerf before that... and the nerf before that... and the... oh, you get the point.

Look at Ursan. It's been nerfed but I still see Ursan groups forming... sometimes.

Lyndka · Nov 08, 2008, 09:39 AM // 09:39

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

Perma sins don't need them, it's all the e/a and n/a that needed them for the speed clears.

I find it hilarious that we get threads proclaiming consumables to be one of the reasons that GW has died, and now that one of them has been nerfed from 25% to 20% bonus...GW has died. Again. WTF is wrong with you people...

OMG!! That's where my E/A was failing - no consumables!!!! How was I coping before EoTN came out (I obviously wasn't)...

Ditto - cue another thread from the EoTN newcomers "GW is dead cos we have to use skillz and buildz and runez"

Hands up for a "consumables crafters guild walk-out weekend"...

Keira Nightgale · Nov 08, 2008, 12:39 PM // 12:39

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Originally Posted by MisterT69

Eh I guess a dying game is a dying game, A-net can't satisfy both sides of any argument, so I guess as the saying goes "closing a door and opening another?" IDK if that's right or not but I hope everyone gets the metaphor lol. And now there's gonna be a lot more A/E's in UW as it seems...

Really I don't understand the point. What is that, to steamroll Uw in order to get an uber rare weapon? These weapons are so easy to get that everyone could get them, getting easy ectos? You can farm em way faster. I stopped doing Uwsc right after I got my eternal blade, and that was on my 2nd uwsc group ever.

Look at Ursan. It's been nerfed but I still see Ursan groups forming... sometimes.

That is because Ursan still works, and probably even better than it used to be before.

Joseph Spiritmaster · Nov 08, 2008, 12:57 PM // 12:57

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Originally Posted by Keira Nightgale

It's more like consumables should help you doing an area "faster", not help you doing an area otherwise you couldn't do.
We could divide ToA groups in two types
Right party : "I do fow/uw in 1hour with cons, 1 hour and 15-20 minutes without "
Wrong party: "I do fow/uw in 15 minutes, can't do it without cons".
ToA hosted only the second type of group, on top of that 80% of them failed .

Omg yes! Personally i would rather do a UWSC in an hour w/o cons. the old balanced way with Obby flesh tanks. I find that the SF tanks just ruined the fun in doing FoW/UW/Urgoz etc. If i saw somone doing DoA in Under and hour WITHOUT cons i would have much much more respect for them compared to someone who did it under an hour easily WITH cons.

Thank you Anet, can we remove cons completely, maybe SF nerf? Cryway nerf?